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when we were children our parents told

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon strickler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations of remarkable

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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hey folks good evening welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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where we explore explore the unexplained

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on beyond explanation i'm your host lon

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coming to you within a candid shot of

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investigators butch witkowski and

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using factual and unbiased

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evidence gathering techniques in order

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to evaluate and investigate

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vincent tell you tell you a bit about

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um so butch and vincent thanks for

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joining me this evening

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hey everybody so events tell everybody

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who you are

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and why you're on and the whole deal

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well i'm your uh beyond explanation

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community manager

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and uh everybody knows me from the chat

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rooms i'm 7 in for amy boo

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i know i'm not as pretty as amy is or

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as talented in the bigfoot field but

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here i am

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i've been a part of the paranormal uh

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field since 2009

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well you you're kind of filling in

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tonight for amy and

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uh that's fine i know you know you're my

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you're kind of filling in also as my

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research invest

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research uh assistant for my next book

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so uh you know of course you're working

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uh beyond explanation as well so good to

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thanks a lot so hey butch how you doing

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i'm doing good how are you oh man i'm

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hanging in there

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same old same old you know it is with me

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pretty much everybody right now yeah so

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uh so tonight we talk about a few

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new things that kind of come our way

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but one thing i did want to talk about

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this short video from uh cass river

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now i took a few screenshots off the uh

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off the video itself and uh

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a bill will put them up there for folks

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sighting now of course you know you're

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it's a guy in a suit or something else

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which is standard fair but you know that

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kind of looks like it's got holding

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something in its left arm

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may very well be a juvenile it's very

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i thought it may have been carrying a

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deer on its left side now when you look

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the left side so i i don't know i i you

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know i don't know what to make of it

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uh i thought it might be a female

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uh it's kind of hard to tell the size of

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six and a half or seven foot just from

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what i can see

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uh what are your thoughts on the butch

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uh could bill flip to the next couple

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pictures and i'll tell him when to stop

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at one the one that got me

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uh that one right there yeah

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looks like a deer head with antlers yeah

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either either either a deer head with

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creeping down off a maybe a doe or a

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maybe a fawn probably a doe

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it's interesting i mean you know i

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on the blog and uh not

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they don't see what part of the cast

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river this was but she said

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that it looks like an area that's about

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and she said that the uh she has seen

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bigfoot

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waiting that river and other parts along

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the river for a year

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she said she's lived there since the 60s

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um i don't know you know she says she's

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not surprised by it

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she said the color and everything is

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very similar to what she has seen the

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that shot right there is also good yeah

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that that's that's a really interesting

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shot yeah because you can almost

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you can see the uh the color of whatever

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he's carrying

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is kind of a fun color as opposed to his

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reddish color

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so i'm going to say it's carrying a deer

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uh but the body shape form

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i mean it really looks like what it is

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the side view really has a conical uh

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shape to the head yeah yeah

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yeah i you know even if you say it's the

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real deal

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you'll get 100 people to say like what

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are you sure

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but uh i it's been the it's been one

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really good i mean i think it's really

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well if you look at the video and i've

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got the link to the video

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in the piece i posted it's only about a

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four or five second video

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yeah and uh they happened to grab this

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thing as it was you know

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they're because they were in a kayak and

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and uh i don't know you know

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they got what they could but you know

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when you do see it moving through the

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water

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it does it doesn't look human to me the

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way it moved around

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no if that was somebody in the suit

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first of all they'd be waterlogged from

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the waist down

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i don't see if they can move that well

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so i don't know you know it is what it

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is it's it's it is interesting

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that's one of the more interesting that

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we've seen over the last couple of years

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yeah it's it's it's yeah it is it really

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is and of course we've had some video

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some screenshots over the years but

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we had an interesting talk with

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uh a gentleman from greene county

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pennsylvania by the name of

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james west now i told he's gonna

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actually be coming on the show at some

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in september but

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horrendous cryptic canine encounters he

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uh near his home which

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actually in nema collin greene county

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um now it's it's funny because the

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description she gives

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this thing seems like

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it could very well be a mix of something

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um which is interesting itself because

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there was a sighting about 20 miles east

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to him

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that the gentleman i talked to called it

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a dog a dark walker and i've posted that

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that up there as well

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on the uh on the blog uh in fact when

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the rosemary ellen golly

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uh wrote the book about greene county

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she put it in there for her book as well

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and and and james knew about it and this

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uh that sighting

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it was kind of like a bigfoot but

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you know it could have been it could

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have been something else as well and um

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but whatever was the guy the guy's

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grandfather her father had shot it

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and killed it he had put on the back of

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his truck

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but this was years and years ago when he

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said that uh one night he was uh

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lives in 2002's just before winter

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and uh he was he was a

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couldn't had trouble sleeping he said

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he's always had trouble sleeping

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and he got up i guess about

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10 30 or so and decide to go out into a

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and go coyote hunting now

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people who know pennsylvania and western

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pennsylvania there's a lot of coyotes

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and um people do a lot of

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uh a lot of uh fur trapping and such for

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coyotes and hunting

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but anyway he was out there and he had

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actually trekked into the woods

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in an area not far from an an old coal

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actually i think he said they're

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converting the place into a shale mine

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and so you know it's got caverns and

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stuff that caves around the area which

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is something but you and i have

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talked about for for years about this

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upright canine dogman phenomena

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is it seems like some of these settings

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concentrate

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in areas where there's old coal mines

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and they they seem to you know this

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possibility that these things are

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indigenous

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or maybe not i don't know uh you know

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this case here it seems like it may have

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been supernatural being but anyway

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uh he said he continued down the hill

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got onto the other side

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he said he set up put his bait down

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said it was it was snowing he said but

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he had you know he said it was so dark

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he could hardly even see

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his hands in front of him he uh sat down

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the ground he was actually backed up

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against a um

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uh some crushed shell

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and he was just waiting and um

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he said about it 45 milli minutes later

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to an hour he said he got

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he was getting cold so he said you know

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we're gonna i'm gonna pack up and head

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on back and go to bed

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so he said he grabbed his red filtered

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and uh one million candle power field

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spotlight

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and he turned it on and that's when he

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said he saw

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it and he said that this

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this creature was on all fours about 10

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foot in front of him now first of all

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how the hell this thing just show up

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like i would not even

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noticing you you know and uh

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he said the light coming on didn't

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startle it

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or phase phased the creature initially

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it looked like it knew

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right where he was

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and that the new he knew the light would

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be on a second

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he said he then it then took a step

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forward to him

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uh it didn't creak or crack when

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standing up

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said the only noise that he knew was a

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low deep

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sounding pop in the ribs in the sternum

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area

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like it stretched out and puffed its

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chest out

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and said it kind of grew inside

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basically when did that of course and i

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he said i have to say it was at least 78

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foot tall

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with five finger hands and two inch

345
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curved claws on it um

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they said it never they said the dog man

347
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krypto cane and neighborhood in its

348
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mouth

349
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so he can't comment on the t but he did

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say

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it took a step towards him and

352
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he said he already had a shotgun level

353
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to take off pop at this thing

354
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he fired a shot that hit it in the right

355
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mid upper portion of the ribs

356
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he said now mind you that hitting

357
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something that close with a 12-gauge

358
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shotgun

359
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and uh number two shot which is you know

360
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that's a coyote load you know when that

361
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thing

362
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probably hasn't even come out of the wad

363
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yet

364
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so he said it had to hit it dead on like

365
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and possibly leave a hole in this thing

366
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he said but when they hit it

367
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the mist of blood tends the red light

368
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as well and he said let that allow

369
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yelp tuck the tears back

370
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and ran to my right it made it out of

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the light

372
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circling about two strides a fire two

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more times behind it

374
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i said but it was too quick and i missed

375
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it

376
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so i got up and started walking in the

377
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direction and ran for getting

378
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momentarily to reload the shotgun

379
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you guys braver and i am and uh you said

380
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i walked for 10 foot

381
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found a large pool of blood walked a few

382
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more feet and found less blood as i

383
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continued but there were tracks in the

384
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snow he said about four or five

385
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inches of snow on the ground he said

386
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that

387
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process repeated until around 30 feet

388
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from where i initially started

389
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and there was no blood just footprints

390
00:16:01,590 --> 00:15:58,720
he said it's a he said it was almost as

391
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if this thing regenerates or something

392
00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:05,839
to heal itself of such a massive wound

393
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:07,759
you know i stopped and realized then how

394
00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:09,440
stupid i was for even

395
00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:11,519
getting up and trying to track this

396
00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:13,199
thing yeah

397
00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:17,749
he said i didn't know if there had been

398
00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:20,639
any more of these creatures in the area

399
00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:22,880
at the time or if they hunted and packed

400
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so

401
00:16:27,749 --> 00:16:26,959
he thought you know maybe he encountered

402
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:27,759
a real rare

403
00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:30,480
werewolf or something so he uh he then

404
00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:32,480
trudged him in the night

405
00:16:37,749 --> 00:16:35,759
now he said he only lived about

406
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:37,759
four or five hundred yards from where he

407
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:39,040
was

408
00:16:44,389 --> 00:16:41,519
so he took a very indirect route took

409
00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:44,399
him almost 20-30 minutes to get home

410
00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:45,440
because he didn't want this thing

411
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:47,440
falling

412
00:16:51,829 --> 00:16:48,959
so he made it back home went to bed

413
00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:51,839
didn't sing to his father or anybody

414
00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:58,629
that's his story and i tell you it it

415
00:17:02,629 --> 00:17:01,040
he i was kind of impressed about the way

416
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:02,639
he described it

417
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:04,640
over the phone now i'm going to go ahead

418
00:17:09,590 --> 00:17:07,039
and post this second encounter

419
00:17:11,669 --> 00:17:09,600
uh at another time but it's it's just as

420
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:11,679
harrowing because

421
00:17:16,390 --> 00:17:14,400
what he ran into that time was something

422
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:16,400
that looked more like a um

423
00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:18,559
what he said like a rottweiler but this

424
00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:20,720
thing had the hands and

425
00:17:25,029 --> 00:17:23,600
uh actually came toward him and lunged

426
00:17:28,789 --> 00:17:25,039
at him

427
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:28,799
so um i'll post i'll post that one later

428
00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:30,480
was that his drawing at the bottom of

429
00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:32,799
the report was that your drawing

430
00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:35,120
vincent yeah i think it was my driver

431
00:17:37,029 --> 00:17:36,559
yeah i was his that was vince drawing

432
00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:37,039
you

433
00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:41,600
looked like

434
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:44,400
yeah it kind of looks more like we have

435
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:47,120
around here yeah yeah

436
00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:50,240
it does it does look like the uh

437
00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:52,000
the upright canines that people describe

438
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:54,080
around here

439
00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:57,120
uh you know

440
00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:58,799
now you and i have talked about this and

441
00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:00,240
mentioned a lot of times there's a

442
00:18:05,909 --> 00:18:02,480
there's a lot of different variations

443
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:05,919
here in pennsylvania but mainly you know

444
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:07,440
you've got the upright canines which

445
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:09,120
kind of look like the lichens from the

446
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:10,640
underworld series you know

447
00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:12,880
these things are huge they got long

448
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:14,960
snouts and uh they got

449
00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:18,720
strong upper bodies uh people describe

450
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:21,520
these things almost exactly to the t

451
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:23,840
yeah and they're huge i mean they get up

452
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:25,280
to maybe 10 foot

453
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:28,480
tall in some cases and you know we've

454
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:30,880
had hunters encounter them

455
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:34,240
and um they don't take a shot at it

456
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:35,120
because it's just

457
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:37,360
almost like they're hypnotized from this

458
00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:38,160
thing well of course

459
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:40,320
you see that it's kind of a shock value

460
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:41,200
right there

461
00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:42,640
in itself is going to keep you from

462
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:44,480
probably bringing a gun up taking a pop

463
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:45,520
at it

464
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:47,919
but who knows what and if you're a bird

465
00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:49,600
shot you're not going to shoot a bird

466
00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:50,400
shot

467
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:53,360
and the guys that uh encountered this

468
00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:53,760
thing

469
00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:55,760
uh with they all had high powered

470
00:18:58,950 --> 00:18:56,799
weapons

471
00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:58,960
uh even the want park ranger you know he

472
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:00,480
was carrying a 40 glock

473
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:04,160
right but um you know they

474
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:05,600
all had that same feeling when they

475
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:07,760
encountered it that you know

476
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:09,200
don't pull the trigger because if you

477
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,799
pull that trigger things are going to go

478
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:12,640
real bad real quick

479
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:16,080
and the size of this thing i mean i had

480
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:18,000
one guy say one time he said why don't

481
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:19,600
they just run why don't people just run

482
00:19:23,909 --> 00:19:20,720
away from it

483
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:23,919
i said can you imagine the stride that

484
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,240
this thing has

485
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:28,000
you'd never get away from that you take

486
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:29,360
two steps you'd be standing in front of

487
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:31,360
waiting for you

488
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:34,960
and it another thing that's really

489
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:36,720
puzzling to me and always has

490
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:40,400
is the fact that we've only had one or

491
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:40,720
two

492
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:43,039
maybe three reports of over all this

493
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:44,000
time

494
00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:45,840
where they were not inside of a state

495
00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:47,039
park

496
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:50,559
had

497
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:53,760
one alongside the road you know

498
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:56,880
uh uh eating a deer uh we have

499
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:00,160
we had two or three like that but

500
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:02,799
every other one they were all seen in

501
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:04,880
state parks

502
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:06,880
when you go back and look at the old old

503
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:07,919
reports

504
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:09,840
i mean it's the same thing they were

505
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,600
either close to a state park or they

506
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:13,200
were in a big game land or they were on

507
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:14,480
a large farm

508
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:16,880
you know not something that was going

509
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:18,400
down to the local turkey hill for ice

510
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:19,600
cream

511
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:23,360
so uh it was um

512
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:26,159
uh whatever's out there has been there

513
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:27,520
for a long time

514
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:30,400
i mean we we can go back in reports that

515
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:31,600
take us back into

516
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:34,960
the you know uh 1800 so

517
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,880
and the description is exactly every

518
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,640
every description is the same

519
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,400
we only had one or two where people said

520
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:42,000
it had glowing red eyes

521
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,080
every other report was glowing yellow

522
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:46,559
eyes i mean everyone

523
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:49,600
and you know if if people never

524
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:52,880
seen a a wolf you know you want to take

525
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:54,559
a good look at a wolf

526
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,880
uh we're fortunate enough up here in

527
00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:58,720
legends pennsylvania we have a wolf

528
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:01,679
rescue and i went up there uh just to

529
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:03,679
see how big they were

530
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,880
and you know the guy's feeding this one

531
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:09,280
watermelon because he wolf loves

532
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,640
watermelon

533
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:12,880
and he jumps up on the fence to get his

534
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:14,720
watermelon i'm standing right in front

535
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,000
of him

536
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:18,480
and i could probably show it on the

537
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,760
screen here

538
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,600
my head as opposed to what i was looking

539
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:24,080
at was like this

540
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:28,799
and i mean you know

541
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:31,440
he bit into that and i mean he was he

542
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:32,159
was teeth

543
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:35,280
cleaned back to his tail and uh

544
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,640
and then this guy said no he still has

545
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,080
about a year to go you have to grow and

546
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,919
i'm going like

547
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:41,760
but there's one thing that i did notice

548
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,000
when he stood up

549
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,480
against the fence there was a popping

550
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:48,880
sound in his hips

551
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:52,240
so one people said right yeah people say

552
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:53,600
yeah people say well it's probably wolf

553
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:56,880
no because they're not built that way

554
00:22:01,669 --> 00:22:00,159
uh when they when they jump up to stand

555
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,679
up

556
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,080
you can hear the hips pop you know

557
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:05,919
because the way they're built

558
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:11,750
you know the ones that were seen

559
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,120
crouching down or

560
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:15,200
you know low in the weeds or something

561
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,400
like that when they stood up there was

562
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,159
no popping or anything

563
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:20,720
and besides that the the body mass

564
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:21,520
itself

565
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:24,640
when you look at it physically

566
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:27,440
you know the the chest is so massive and

567
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,640
the arms

568
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,240
and it's like the very first report we

569
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,840
got remember the guy said look take

570
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:33,200
arnold schwarzenegger and put him in a

571
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:34,159
fur coat

572
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,520
yeah that's what he looked like you know

573
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:37,200
the size-wise mass

574
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:40,559
uh muscle uh huge hands the

575
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,880
snout ears but we don't have one report

576
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:47,039
which is kind of always bug me we don't

577
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,640
have one report

578
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:50,320
where anybody's ever seen one with a

579
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,350
or yeah or it was obvious that there was

580
00:23:02,630 --> 00:22:58,080
a tail on it yeah that's true

581
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,390
yeah you're right and i don't know you

582
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,080
know i don't know what that has to do

583
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:07,919
with it or

584
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:10,720
whatever but i mean even the lady up

585
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,039
there

586
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:14,480
we went up to visit where uh she watched

587
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:15,919
the one at the pond

588
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,080
in the moonlight and she watched that

589
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,320
thing for 15 minutes

590
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,159
and she didn't see a tail she didn't see

591
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,200
anything and she had a

592
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,280
a back shot and a side shot when it

593
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:29,200
turned the one that was staring into the

594
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:30,559
pond

595
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:34,080
and um her husband said uh why was he

596
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:35,200
staring into the ponies and maybe he's

597
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,000
never saw himself

598
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:38,240
before i mean it was a moonlit night a

599
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,200
calm pond

600
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:41,360
of water probably looked like a mirror

601
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,640
to him

602
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:44,400
but there have been so many different

603
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:47,760
things in these cases over time

604
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,240
and i mean we've had them run across

605
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:52,080
roads we've had them on farms

606
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:56,080
we've had uh where something picked up

607
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:57,120
you know uh

608
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,720
a a trash container and threw it now

609
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,799
that was kind of weird because the

610
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,240
person that actually

611
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,159
was staying at that residence on the

612
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,320
farm when that happened

613
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,159
looked out the window and all she saw

614
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:12,480
was a tall furry

615
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:16,880
which could have been anything

616
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,000
but uh i'm a firm believer in

617
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,960
because i following the reports one of

618
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,480
the first things i do is to see if

619
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:27,039
there's any caves close by

620
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:30,640
and water yeah

621
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,919
and with the exception of two

622
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,360
almost every report there's a cave

623
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:37,600
within five miles

624
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:41,120
and water well i mean

625
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,799
a lot of the reports we have gotten over

626
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,919
the years have been in central

627
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:45,520
pennsylvania

628
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,640
and um you know we call it the lycan

629
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,200
loop that kind of extends from

630
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:54,240
uh north east

631
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,960
north excuse me northwest up into

632
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:58,159
allegheny

633
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:02,400
national forest uh towards the southwest

634
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,279
down into

635
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,000
uh york county so it covers a pretty

636
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,400
good area but it seems like a lot of the

637
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,919
cases we're getting

638
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,679
have been in that area and of course

639
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,120
there have been certain counties where

640
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:15,520
there have been more settings

641
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,360
clearfield center

642
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,919
blair county and as well as cambria

643
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,679
county seem to be the hot spots but

644
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:24,960
we've had

645
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,679
especially to tim renner in uh southern

646
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:32,960
york county and

647
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,480
uh along the susquehanna so

648
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,240
we're uh you know we there's sightings

649
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,600
all over the state

650
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:41,520
but those seem to be the areas where

651
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:44,960
it's actually concentrated at

652
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:48,720
now um there you know like i said before

653
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:52,080
we get the descriptions that we get like

654
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:53,600
i said the first one the uprights are

655
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:54,000
the

656
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,159
looking large snouts but

657
00:26:01,269 --> 00:26:00,640
the second ones are what i call the dog

658
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:01,279
man

659
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,200
in particular are uh quadrupeds

660
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,200
that kind of have a sloping bat like

661
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,440
that of a hyena

662
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,840
right but they had the large head the

663
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,600
large dog had a lot of people say they

664
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:14,720
look like

665
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,440
uh like german shepherds but they're

666
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,760
huge i mean and they've got

667
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,760
they're muscled they've got uh

668
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:23,200
musculature

669
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:26,240
the legs look more

670
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,679
human than than canine though the back

671
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:31,840
legs may be hocked

672
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:35,120
uh it's weird i mean and now you know he

673
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:35,760
said

674
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:40,320
the uh the actual hands with the claws

675
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,720
so

676
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:43,120
um you know i don't know what to help

677
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:44,799
people do what he saw

678
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:48,080
but you know because you know you know

679
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,640
but it

680
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,720
it you know if you go overall from what

681
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,480
the sightings that we have received over

682
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,320
years

683
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:56,159
you know it's pretty similar what we've

684
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:57,600
been getting

685
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:01,039
yeah and a lot of the dogman reports

686
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:05,200
like from eastern and midwestern ohio

687
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:06,559
it's a different description i mean

688
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,520
there's all fours they're multi-colored

689
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:11,360
they got big floppy ears they've got

690
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,480
tails

691
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,919
some are long haired some are

692
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:15,919
short-haired they may stand up on their

693
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,320
hind legs but they drop right down

694
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,279
um they've been they hang around old

695
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,600
railroad tracks and garbage bins and

696
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:25,279
stuff like that

697
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,960
so i'm thinking

698
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,640
they're more there's never been an

699
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,159
attack of any type

700
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:35,200
no but they're they're to me it's it

701
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,559
seems like you're describing to me a

702
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:38,480
feral dog

703
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:41,279
and uh uh people say well dogs don't get

704
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,720
that big well you need to really look at

705
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:44,399
a great dane if you want to see a dog

706
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,600
yeah dogs get pig but uh

707
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:50,080
and german shepherds same thing but it's

708
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,200
uh

709
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,960
the descriptions we have that go way

710
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:54,399
back

711
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:00,230
they're the same i mean i really try to

712
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,080
pick them apart you know like

713
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:04,559
well does it have this doesn't have and

714
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,120
it's

715
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:07,120
they're all the same with the exception

716
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:08,960
like i said the two that said red eyes

717
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:11,600
and everybody else has yellow eyes

718
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:15,039
and uh we only had one report

719
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,919
where it actually made a move on people

720
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:19,120
but

721
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:21,039
that was that the the three couples that

722
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,720
were taking the walk

723
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:24,080
and they stepped out of the woods and

724
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,840
they started screaming like a banshee

725
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,360
and it growled and

726
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:30,240
made motion toward them and stopped and

727
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,279
then they

728
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,840
they booked but yeah that was rough rock

729
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,279
street pork and center

730
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:37,279
that was the only time we ever had

731
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:38,559
anything where

732
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:41,200
it showed any type of aggression you

733
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,640
know the historic when you talk about

734
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,159
the historical settings

735
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,520
in particular um

736
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,960
just below the pennsylvania line and

737
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,880
tomorrow in an area around frederick

738
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:52,480
frederick county

739
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:53,840
i don't know what it is about frederick

740
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,480
county now for those who don't know

741
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:58,320
about frederick county it's the same

742
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:01,039
area where catocking state park

743
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,880
and uh camp david and cunningham falls

744
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,000
and all that are at

745
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,399
and but that county itself was far down

746
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:10,080
into middletown

747
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:13,039
and then into frederick city

748
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,559
historically

749
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:17,440
there have been sightings there uh we've

750
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:17,760
had

751
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:20,960
and people used to call in dues

752
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:25,039
the old pennsylvania dutch

753
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:28,399
farmers who moved in from the uh

754
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:30,880
the old world that set up shop down

755
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:31,760
there

756
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,399
used to talk about these things and they

757
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:36,080
would describe them almost like the

758
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:37,440
werewolves they would see

759
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:41,679
in in what in germany in switzerland

760
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,279
but um they they were very similar to

761
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,360
what people are seeing now

762
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:50,080
so uh yeah so you know there there are

763
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:51,600
different types

764
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,120
you know this is something we've been

765
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:55,840
looking into for a long time

766
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:59,039
uh we get we'll get a case here and

767
00:30:02,389 --> 00:29:59,440
there

768
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,399
you know but i think for the most part

769
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:04,960
people just don't like to talk about it

770
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,760
you know yeah and when you when you do

771
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,000
background research

772
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:13,360
excuse me these these sightings go back

773
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,159
centuries centuries hundreds and

774
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:18,159
hundreds of years ago

775
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:21,440
uh you know the the romans uh

776
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,080
the catholic church with their stunts um

777
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,080
which if anybody doesn't think that they

778
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:29,919
were a little on the shady side

779
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,799
they were on the shady side but uh and

780
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,320
i'm catholic

781
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:37,279
but it was uh where what they would do

782
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,159
was they would

783
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,640
they would hire a murderer a killer to

784
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:42,159
go in and you know just pick somebody

785
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:43,679
out of a crowd that's working out in the

786
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,240
field

787
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,320
and butcher them just chop them up

788
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,960
butcher them really make a mess of them

789
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,720
and then they you know they put the

790
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,000
story out that it was

791
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,000
it was some kind of wolf a man wolf or a

792
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,919
werewolf or whatever they called it back

793
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:57,200
then

794
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:00,799
they'd say look we'll take care of this

795
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,760
if you people all join the church

796
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,480
so they would join the church and then

797
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:08,159
the catholic church would send in one of

798
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:08,720
their

799
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,519
army units to kill the guy that actually

800
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,120
did the killing

801
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,200
so uh and that went on for years and

802
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,279
then spain got a hold of that idea

803
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,399
and they did it and so you know

804
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:22,720
that a lot of these churches that were

805
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:23,600
formed in

806
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,480
in in those areas were

807
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:31,039
it was a forest it was it was a put up

808
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:32,480
but it worked

809
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,120
i mean you know uh there was a killing

810
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:39,279
the church sent in their boys they did

811
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,480
the guy in

812
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:41,760
brought what was left them in the back

813
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,399
and then burned him and there you go

814
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,799
lots more money folks in the chat room

815
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:51,200
if you've got a question for us

816
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,720
uh post in an uppercase and uh

817
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,880
we'll see if we can answer for you we

818
00:32:02,549 --> 00:31:59,200
did get a question earlier

819
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:02,559
asking butch if he had seen

820
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:06,559
or talked about his orb encounters

821
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:10,000
from andrew the what encounters

822
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,000
orb uh well they're still around

823
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:16,799
i mean the the ones that like you were

824
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:17,600
involved with

825
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:20,720
with us over in uh lancaster county

826
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,399
um that kind of has succeeded

827
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:27,360
but um the gentleman on the farm there

828
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:27,760
he's

829
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,320
at the pond out front

830
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:34,720
and the light is still there across the

831
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:35,840
road the blue light

832
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,919
the changes the red light that's still

833
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,000
there there's nothing there i've walked

834
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,440
it i've driven past it

835
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:43,360
i've walked up the hill down the hill

836
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,590
i mean it's just like your son matt said

837
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:50,880
to me that night when he saw he went

838
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:51,519
like

839
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,840
what the hell is that yeah you know we

840
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,039
sung out there

841
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:57,120
on a february night looking for

842
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,960
binoculars freezing our asses all trying

843
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:00,799
to figure out what that thing was

844
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,960
and it was just an orb yeah and you know

845
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,559
from where the driveway was where we

846
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,640
were standing and straight across the

847
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:10,240
field across that little bit of road and

848
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:11,600
across the next field and there's

849
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:12,320
another road

850
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:13,679
that's where it should have been there's

851
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:15,679
nothing there just bushes there

852
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,080
there's no lights no uh

853
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,640
county pump lights or anything like that

854
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:24,080
and the original

855
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,120
report uh that sent me uh uh sent me

856
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:29,440
there in another snowstorm in slippers

857
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,480
like an idiot

858
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:33,120
uh was orbs coming over the top of the

859
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,760
mountain

860
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,679
which would have been on the side of the

861
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:36,880
house where the

862
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:40,159
that new chicken coop was going up and

863
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,440
you know saw three of those um had a

864
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,799
couple sightings here in reading

865
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:46,640
pennsylvania had a couple sightings

866
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:49,760
uh down in pottstown montgomery county

867
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:52,480
but uh they are what they are you know

868
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,960
and they

869
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,880
they they have no flight characteristics

870
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,880
to speak of so it's not something that's

871
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:58,559
just you know going across the sky like

872
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:58,880
that

873
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:01,279
there it's definitely not satellites

874
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:02,320
because they're moving

875
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:06,000
way too fast and uh you know when

876
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:09,599
something stops and goes straight up

877
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:12,639
that's crazy yeah that that's

878
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,760
that's not of this planet are the uh

879
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:18,320
are the size of the orbs about the same

880
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:19,359
size or

881
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,879
in color no colors always

882
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,560
a lot of times it's different there's

883
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,159
we've seen white we've seen orange we've

884
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:28,960
seen red turned orange

885
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,560
we've seen white turn to

886
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,960
i want to say blue was more greenish

887
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,480
than bluish

888
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,560
um i was standing with a state trooper

889
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:40,480
down at french creek state park and he

890
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:40,800
said

891
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,399
went like yeah like that one there and i

892
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,760
was had my back to him

893
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:47,040
so he was looking the other way and i

894
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:50,639
turned around and we watched a white orb

895
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,760
you know zigzagging uh across the open

896
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,960
sky because that's the

897
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:56,240
it's the second darkest spot in

898
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:57,520
pennsylvania matter of fact it was a

899
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:58,560
country

900
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,560
so there's no light pollution so we

901
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:02,160
watched it and it stopped

902
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,520
and it dropped and made like a u

903
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,520
and came back up again and went a little

904
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,359
further and then shots

905
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,040
changed color and shot straight up into

906
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:12,640
the sky

907
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:16,960
so there i mean this this state if

908
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,800
if somebody says they've never seen one

909
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:20,400
they need to look up because they're

910
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,680
there

911
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:23,119
i mean if you can if you can

912
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,390
the satellites which are slow movers i

913
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,240
mean and they're always in line

914
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,839
so if you see one if you look a little

915
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,280
further you see another another

916
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,920
another and uh with these things i mean

917
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,960
they're usually on their own they're

918
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:40,480
either fast moving they'll shoot across

919
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,599
the sky

920
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:43,359
and they're not a meteor they're not a

921
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,040
bull light so there's no tail or a

922
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:46,880
bright light or anything like that

923
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:50,800
it's just a usually a white dot

924
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:53,680
and uh they just go like crazy i mean

925
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:54,079
they're

926
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,280
i guess in the one picture from the that

927
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:00,880
disclosure thing they put out

928
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,160
the one where the the combat uh camera

929
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,800
is following the one above the ocean how

930
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:08,400
fast that was going along

931
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,359
and you know doing this number that's

932
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,280
pretty much you'll see in the sky

933
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,440
and the iss it's very obvious what that

934
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,040
is i mean

935
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,720
if anybody's got a half decent pair of

936
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:21,119
binoculars they can see the iss

937
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,560
pretty much see everything on the moon

938
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:24,160
too

939
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:30,790
i don't know if any of us can answer why

940
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:31,839
were bridges

941
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:35,200
built with covered roofs over river

942
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:39,359
crossings in the 1800s

943
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:42,240
19 century you know anything about that

944
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,040
butch

945
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:45,359
well in lancaster county was because of

946
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,200
the poor wood they had

947
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:49,200
they had to cover it or the bridges were

948
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:50,480
rotten out

949
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:54,720
so um and a lot of times especially in

950
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:57,040
the mennonite and amish communities

951
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:58,640
those covered bridges were always like

952
00:37:03,030 --> 00:36:58,960
but

953
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:03,040
you know uh between a number of farms

954
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:06,320
so like if they were caught in the rain

955
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:07,599
or something like that they could go

956
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,320
there

957
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,240
or they had picnics on those things but

958
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,760
there was no traffic they weren't built

959
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,200
for trucks and cars they were built for

960
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,200
buggies

961
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:17,359
and uh we have a couple in lancaster

962
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:18,240
county that are

963
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,760
i guess they're pretty famous but uh i

964
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:23,040
when i talked to somebody about that a

965
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,640
long time ago they said well the reason

966
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,000
they put covers on them because

967
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,400
you know the roofs and everything was

968
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,240
because

969
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:32,320
they didn't have drainage over these

970
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,680
waters

971
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,200
uh and you know there were no such thing

972
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:37,280
as gutters back then so

973
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,720
to protect the wood which they say was

974
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:42,240
not ever the best because we don't have

975
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:43,119
a lot of

976
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,880
well up north we do you know in the

977
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,560
forest or pennsylvania but

978
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:48,160
you know not around lancaster county i

979
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,240
mean it's all farmland so you know if

980
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,720
you find an oak tree you're lucky

981
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,720
yeah you're going to find a lot of

982
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:56,240
covered bridges in this part of the

983
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,640
state

984
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:59,520
south central pennsylvania and in ohio

985
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:00,240
yeah

986
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,470
and everyone it seems like every one of

987
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:12,240
them around here is haunted too

988
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,610
so that's interesting well

989
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:16,720
[Laughter]

990
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,599
you know i i've yet to i i've like i

991
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:21,440
said i've only ever gone on a couple

992
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:24,640
paranormal adventures uh

993
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:27,280
with a group uh that's been doing it for

994
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,000
a long time

995
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:31,040
only because i was nosy i want to see

996
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,640
how they did it what their equipment use

997
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:34,800
was how they set things up

998
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,960
um and um

999
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:41,040
it worked out i mean i got what i had to

1000
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,160
see and

1001
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:44,160
i went like okay i believe i'm out of

1002
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:45,920
here you know

1003
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,599
it just uh uh you know and especially

1004
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,200
when something happens

1005
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,839
and it's recorded and you're the one

1006
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,720
that happens to

1007
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:56,720
and they play it back and after i tell

1008
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,920
them what happened

1009
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,760
and they they searched their little

1010
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,119
thingy there and they

1011
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:02,880
play it back and i'm going like that's

1012
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:04,079
it i'm out of here i'm going to get a

1013
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,119
hot dog

1014
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:08,079
you know it's crazy i mean uh but one

1015
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,280
thing it always bothered me and i

1016
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:10,800
mentioned it to those guys that now they

1017
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:11,680
do it now

1018
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,760
but they've had cases where they've

1019
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,880
investigated homes

1020
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,320
uh abandoned homes there would have been

1021
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,000
lights you know on the first floor

1022
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:20,320
second floor third floor

1023
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,680
and i said to them one time i said do

1024
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:24,240
you guys ever like have somebody outside

1025
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:28,240
looking up at the sky i mean something

1026
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,520
else involved here

1027
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,920
because in my opinion everything is com

1028
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,520
this is all connected somehow we're just

1029
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:35,680
not smart enough to put it all together

1030
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,920
so the paranormal cryptozoology ufos

1031
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,599
there's got to be a connection we just

1032
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:43,599
don't know what it is

1033
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:47,520
and um hopefully in time

1034
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:50,000
you know we'll we'll put it together but

1035
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,040
um

1036
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,200
they do it now they they have a guy

1037
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:55,119
outside that watches above the

1038
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,320
wherever they're at there's a guy

1039
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:58,880
outside looking up

1040
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,160
that's a good idea now butch uh

1041
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,920
we had somebody asked about ufo

1042
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,599
encounters seeing ufos of course you

1043
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,520
used to live on tucson

1044
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:09,839
yeah so you had some sightings out there

1045
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:10,720
uh

1046
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,920
tell us about your your best sighting

1047
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:15,440
well the best sighting was the first one

1048
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,349
we were living in

1049
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,349
uh tucson arizona at the time we just

1050
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:26,880
moved

1051
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,920
and uh we had uh some young fellas come

1052
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,920
over from the university of arizona they

1053
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:32,880
were licensed

1054
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:36,960
saguaro cactus gatherers because of you

1055
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,960
take saguaro cactus out of the national

1056
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,560
forest you have to have a permit and

1057
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,920
it's got to be guys that are

1058
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,599
have the right equipment to get it out

1059
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,040
and put it in and all that stuff

1060
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,800
so they did that it was a very hot day

1061
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,960
it was about seven o'clock at night 7 30

1062
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:51,119
somewhere around there

1063
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:55,040
and it was um hot really hot

1064
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,560
so my wife went in to get iced tea for

1065
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,800
everybody and my neighbor next door who

1066
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,599
was uh

1067
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,599
or is a doctor and the guy across the

1068
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:03,280
street who ran the federal prisons for

1069
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:03,920
the

1070
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,079
were all out and

1071
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:10,800
everybody like taking a drink of my tea

1072
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,839
you know and i'm like

1073
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,440
looking at everybody else and like what

1074
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,440
what is everybody looking at everybody

1075
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,040
everybody's doing this you know and the

1076
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:19,040
t is here and i'm like

1077
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,640
so i looked up and right above a

1078
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:22,720
mountain there was a uh

1079
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,920
a very large um burnt bronze colored

1080
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,839
craft uh with a couple green lights on

1081
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:29,839
the side very faded

1082
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:33,920
um it it had to be three football fields

1083
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,000
in length it was huge

1084
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,400
and uh it pretty much covered that whole

1085
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,839
mountain area

1086
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,319
and there was no electric things going

1087
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,000
funnier or

1088
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:46,000
lost time or anything like that but

1089
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:47,119
everybody

1090
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:50,079
neighbors myself the guys my wife

1091
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,680
everybody just like you know looking up

1092
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,040
at it like that

1093
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,119
and it just slowly rose up there was

1094
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,640
made no noise that's the part that

1095
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:58,160
bugged me the most it made no noise

1096
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,319
whatsoever just raised up a little bit

1097
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:02,160
took a little dip came back up again and

1098
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:03,599
shot west like a bullet

1099
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:07,040
i mean it it was just a blur so you know

1100
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:07,520
i'm like

1101
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,390
what's in the t and i started asking

1102
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:16,880
everybody everybody had the same story

1103
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:20,240
so i called tucson police department i

1104
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,440
called the pima county sheriff's

1105
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,880
department i called davis mouth

1106
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,400
air force base every media outlet i

1107
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,319
could find uh

1108
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,880
i i just called everybody nobody had any

1109
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:30,400
reports on that thing

1110
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:33,599
now a mountain if if if this is

1111
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:36,160
tucson a mountain is where top of my

1112
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,960
head is

1113
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,560
and that's how you would look at it i

1114
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:39,839
mean if you were looking at a mountain

1115
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,079
from tucson you'd have to go like this

1116
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:44,640
it's tall it's long it's white and the

1117
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,760
reason they call it a mountain because

1118
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,280
there's an a on there that the kids from

1119
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,800
the arizona university

1120
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:51,280
paint every year the freshmen go up

1121
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,319
that's it

1122
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:55,200
but uh so you know i started to

1123
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,400
accumulate a lot of paper trying to find

1124
00:43:00,790 --> 00:43:00,000
out what it was anything i just got

1125
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,800
tired of it

1126
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,440
i i really did and and i just stopped

1127
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,680
and that was the end of it

1128
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,760
i was watching a tv show one night about

1129
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:09,440
ufos and the bug bit me

1130
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:13,599
and i've been at this now 33 years

1131
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:19,910
so yeah uh

1132
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:22,400
marlo snyder wants to know about

1133
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:23,440
sightings in

1134
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:28,160
center county haven't gotten any oh yeah

1135
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:31,280
any center county of

1136
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:34,240
uh clearfield county there's there's

1137
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:35,280
reports of almost

1138
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:38,000
everything up there from paranormal the

1139
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:39,440
ufos

1140
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:50,960
of center county and and clearfield

1141
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,400
not too many orb sightings but triangles

1142
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:55,839
triangles seem to be a big thing up

1143
00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:58,640
there i i would say

1144
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:02,079
i would say any any county that

1145
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:06,319
encompasses the uh the susquehanna

1146
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,599
river tributary or the valley uh has had

1147
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:11,599
settings i mean we got a lot of sayings

1148
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,440
up and along the river um you know so

1149
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,720
yeah and that covers a lot of you know

1150
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,079
that covers a lot of area in

1151
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,000
pennsylvania also

1152
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:24,720
uh have you had any pyramid shaped craft

1153
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:25,599
or

1154
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:28,480
that's from blue cross roads and uh

1155
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,200
jenny king

1156
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,760
asked if you've ever initiated a

1157
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,319
seasidic contact

1158
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:37,040
no never initiated any of that uh no

1159
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:38,400
steady contact

1160
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:41,839
uh pyramid shape craft they've really

1161
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,640
only come about in the last couple years

1162
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,920
if you would have said something about

1163
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,920
those a couple years back probably

1164
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:49,599
nobody would have never saw one but

1165
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:50,560
they've been

1166
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,640
big thing now is still the orbs and the

1167
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:56,240
triangles

1168
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,839
you use or the military uses for

1169
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,280
surveillance

1170
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,200
uh which are very small and they have a

1171
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:07,119
motor and you can hear those

1172
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,160
but when you see something that you know

1173
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,880
is just so huge like they've been in the

1174
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:14,079
township i live in i

1175
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,520
investigated both news reports a number

1176
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,119
of years ago

1177
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:19,119
and they were multi-witness uh right

1178
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:20,640
outside of a big department store up the

1179
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:21,920
road from here

1180
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,280
um they watched a huge

1181
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,760
and they got a photograph but again

1182
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,599
camera phones though

1183
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,680
kind of shaky but the thing that

1184
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:33,839
bothered me the most was that there was

1185
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:36,880
a a protrusion coming out the

1186
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,079
the point the nose of the craft and

1187
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:42,400
it it almost looked like it almost

1188
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:43,359
looked like a spear

1189
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,800
there was something on the end but you

1190
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,400
know it was too far away

1191
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,640
and it rose up went over over the

1192
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,800
mountain over the neversink mountain

1193
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,480
uh which would have passed over mount

1194
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,839
penn redding

1195
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,920
and then there was a report i think two

1196
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:57,280
days later where it was

1197
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,880
seen out in sync and spring which is in

1198
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:00,480
that same general direction

1199
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,599
of north and um a couple years later

1200
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,319
same thing same area matter of fact flew

1201
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,560
over the same place

1202
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:14,240
and we don't have any military bases

1203
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,839
around here and

1204
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,520
nor does the military have anything that

1205
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,680
big i mean

1206
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,319
their stuff is their stuff is you know

1207
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:24,240
not even the size of cessna

1208
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:26,480
so i mean they're only used for

1209
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:27,920
observation they're not using

1210
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,470
but uh there's there's a lot of uh a lot

1211
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:36,000
of action in pennsylvania there always

1212
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:36,880
has been

1213
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,560
yeah uh what i what i've i have seen

1214
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:42,160
and i really don't know if vincent has

1215
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:43,599
run into this yet

1216
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,880
there seems to be a real die down of

1217
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:48,960
investigators

1218
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:53,040
um what i mean by there's not a lot of

1219
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:54,960
people want to be involved

1220
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,079
in it anymore uh either

1221
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,800
they're frightened or uh they just don't

1222
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:02,480
want to know

1223
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:05,359
yeah a lot of these people were you know

1224
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,560
they were looking for the government to

1225
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:08,240
give them the big disclosure thing

1226
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,599
yeah keep waiting but uh

1227
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,359
you know i i have a couple people that

1228
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:15,440
you know want to join but

1229
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,240
you know i i i always look to people

1230
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:19,839
that are like-minded

1231
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:24,960
um that want to do the job

1232
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,640
you don't want to go out it's not

1233
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,559
anything exciting or fabulous or

1234
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:32,319
anything like that a lot of times

1235
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,480
you're either sitting out of the rain in

1236
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,559
the truck or a cold or

1237
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:39,040
in a tent or you know by a fire or

1238
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:40,720
walking around the woods or abandoned

1239
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:41,520
houses or

1240
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:45,280
caves and but um

1241
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,559
but there are a lot of women getting

1242
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:48,720
involved in it i'll say that

1243
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:01,829
have you heard of cars uh

1244
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,240
being driven being lifted off the ground

1245
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:06,079
by ufos

1246
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,440
have we had anything like that around

1247
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:09,680
here butch not around here but missouri

1248
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,240
they did

1249
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,720
yeah i know in missouri where i met

1250
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:14,319
around kansas city

1251
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:19,839
uh i think columbia oh columbia

1252
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,640
uh lifted in the air and turned around

1253
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:24,319
taken off the road and set the field and

1254
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:25,520
it was being followed by a tractor

1255
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:26,079
trailer

1256
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,990
what percentage of these ufos do you

1257
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:33,119
think

1258
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:36,400
is run by you know us compared to

1259
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,319
uh extraterrestrial or

1260
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:43,760
other we don't we don't have anything

1261
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:44,400
like that

1262
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:47,599
we really don't i mean if you you know

1263
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,079
they're

1264
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,359
clocking these things at four five six

1265
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:54,160
ten thousand mile an hour sure and they

1266
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:54,880
stop

1267
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,520
well if you got a human inside there

1268
00:49:02,470 --> 00:48:59,440
he's a speck on the wall

1269
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,480
i mean there's no way and

1270
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,160
we just don't have that kind of

1271
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:05,760
capability

1272
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:08,880
um i mean at certain mock speeds

1273
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,520
pilots pass out even even in their suit

1274
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:13,040
suits and everything

1275
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:21,990
i'm often asked if i believe yeah

1276
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,400
there's something up there it's not ours

1277
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,720
don't belong here never was

1278
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:29,040
uh it goes way back in time just like

1279
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,000
some of these cryptids

1280
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,480
go way back in time i mean people act

1281
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,640
like a bigfoot report is something new

1282
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:36,240
well you can go back two three four

1283
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:36,960
hundred years

1284
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:39,040
in the indigenous tribes and they're

1285
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,720
showing you exactly what they're looking

1286
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:42,160
at which is exactly what we're looking

1287
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,040
at

1288
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,760
um same mannerisms different name maybe

1289
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:47,359
but

1290
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:50,559
the whole thing is that

1291
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:53,760
there are so many unanswered questions

1292
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,359
and um you know just

1293
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,200
trying to get the answers is like real

1294
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,160
work yeah i mean it really is

1295
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:05,040
jamie king asked uh butch how often do

1296
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,950
about two a year three a year maybe yeah

1297
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:12,800
it's pretty pretty rare

1298
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,599
yeah people the people that did report

1299
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,599
them really early on like maybe five six

1300
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:19,520
years ago

1301
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,319
the people on the internet just ate them

1302
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:27,040
alive you know they just made monkeys

1303
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:27,760
out of them

1304
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:34,470
but the abduction cases that

1305
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:38,559
i'd gotten had gotten involved with uh

1306
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:42,559
they were they were just flat out scary

1307
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,800
yummy and it wasn't just the person that

1308
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:46,800
was making that report at the time

1309
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:49,520
you had uh the whole family was involved

1310
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,319
you know many

1311
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,280
many generations back that this started

1312
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:54,960
so

1313
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,280
and it's been i guess a lot of the

1314
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:59,200
people that only do investigations and

1315
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:00,880
abductions always said the same thing

1316
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:01,760
where

1317
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,599
you have um family members

1318
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,920
you know maybe three or four generations

1319
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:09,359
back that were

1320
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,280
contacted and then you know it all moves

1321
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:13,200
forward and it just like picks up its

1322
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:14,559
generation

1323
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:17,200
and the sequences and what they saw on

1324
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:17,760
everything

1325
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:22,800
is identical i mean it's no different

1326
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:26,079
yeah you know um i i

1327
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,680
have been of course we looked at a few

1328
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,599
well-known cases particularly the todd

1329
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,280
sees case

1330
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,680
uh which you and i believe was actually

1331
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,119
an abduction case

1332
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:39,680
regardless of what mufon and everybody

1333
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:40,720
else says

1334
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:44,960
yeah um i can probably count on my

1335
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:47,200
one hand how many abduction cases i've

1336
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:48,400
involved with

1337
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,599
over the past 40 years um

1338
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:53,520
you know it's not many i mean of course

1339
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:56,319
people will contact you about

1340
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:59,359
uh their abduction but you know it

1341
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,040
doesn't go much beyond that

1342
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:03,359
they're missing time and they see a

1343
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,400
little this little that

1344
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,720
as far as a lot of times that an

1345
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:10,160
abduction case will come out of a

1346
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,040
sighting

1347
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:13,760
right you know they'll be reporting a

1348
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:14,800
sighting

1349
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:17,839
and then they'll say you know missing

1350
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:18,559
time

1351
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,000
or uh unusual marks or

1352
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:24,400
you know scoop marks or uh black and

1353
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,680
blue marks or

1354
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,200
they woke up in their pajamas run

1355
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,800
backwards or something like that

1356
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:30,960
that's a pretty good indication that

1357
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:32,079
something happened

1358
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,920
i mean nobody really gets up at three in

1359
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,920
the morning to turn the pajamas around

1360
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,880
backwards

1361
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:39,200
well yeah true and you know but you know

1362
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,160
most abduction cases

1363
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,480
usually come to light many years after

1364
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:46,880
the actual abduction i mean you know

1365
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:52,309
it'll suddenly blink up in their head

1366
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,119
but

1367
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:55,119
you know maybe it was an abduction 20

1368
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:56,720
years ago when i saw that

1369
00:53:01,109 --> 00:53:00,400
craft or saw those unknown beans and

1370
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:01,119
such and

1371
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:03,440
uh you know that does happen a lot i

1372
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:06,800
mean i have had people contact me

1373
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,720
years and years after a sighting or

1374
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,680
some type of encounter with you know in

1375
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:15,520
their bedroom or whatever

1376
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,400
and uh they don't really recall anything

1377
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:20,160
until years later

1378
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,240
and then maybe something will spark it

1379
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:24,400
in the the cell they'd be able to recall

1380
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:25,200
it

1381
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:34,390
let's see any true to blood type

1382
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,960
being a factor in abduction cases you

1383
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:38,720
know what

1384
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,960
i have talked about that with a lot of

1385
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:43,119
people who supposedly know a lot about

1386
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:44,800
abductions

1387
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:48,640
uh you know nick redfern wrote a book

1388
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,240
about that years ago i have looked into

1389
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,240
it personally

1390
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:57,839
uh because i have been abducted

1391
00:54:01,589 --> 00:54:00,079
or i don't even want to call it abducted

1392
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:01,599
i've been taken

1393
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:04,480
to another location if you want to call

1394
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:05,680
that abducted or

1395
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,800
whatever uh i've got b

1396
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,720
negative i mean oh negative blood

1397
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:12,000
negative blood seems to be

1398
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:15,920
the actual uh blood type that most these

1399
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:16,880
people that

1400
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:19,920
have these encounters experiences have

1401
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:25,599
now i don't know if there's any real

1402
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,720
if there's any real basis to that

1403
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:31,280
it's an interesting it's an interesting

1404
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:32,240
quotient

1405
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:35,680
to the abduction theory but i don't

1406
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,839
you know there's no real evidence as to

1407
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,359
that being uh

1408
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,400
true now of course a lot

1409
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:44,319
i have noticed that a lot of the

1410
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:45,680
generational

1411
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:49,839
abductions where it involves like

1412
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:53,680
grandparents kids children you know

1413
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:01,190
seem to have the old negative blood

1414
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:05,920
now if you take that perspective into

1415
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:06,720
into this

1416
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:09,040
into the actual abductions and maybe

1417
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:11,119
there is something to it

1418
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:12,960
you know i have had people try to tell

1419
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:15,680
me over the years that

1420
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:18,720
you know o negative blood is uh

1421
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:21,839
is kind of a

1422
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:24,480
i don't know it's it just see it's just

1423
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:25,760
not that many people

1424
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:29,359
you know that i i'd say it was like

1425
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:32,720
12 to 15 of the population have

1426
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:35,839
a negative blood but it's

1427
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:38,079
uh if i could comment on that real quick

1428
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:38,880
too uh

1429
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:41,920
native americans specifically are almost

1430
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,680
exclusively uh oh negative blood type

1431
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:48,400
okay well i never you know i i know a

1432
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:49,440
lot of these came

1433
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:53,280
from um a lot of these generations

1434
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:56,559
started from uh you know scandinavian yo

1435
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:57,520
in the old world

1436
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,880
so i don't know how much fact there is

1437
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,400
there

1438
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,240
i don't know you know it just seems

1439
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:06,319
awful bizarre that maybe there is

1440
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,520
something to it

1441
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:09,599
i haven't seen the evidence to really

1442
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,000
prove it

1443
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,119
i mean what do you think butch well

1444
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,920
i'm gonna agree with um our good friend

1445
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,040
and colleague

1446
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,480
uh brian bowden who's on uh i think it

1447
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,400
the the the blood type really needs to

1448
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,000
be studied further

1449
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:28,640
uh it's just like there's a researcher

1450
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:29,119
in

1451
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,240
puerto rico a research scientist who is

1452
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:34,319
studying

1453
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:38,160
cattle mutilations and

1454
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,920
one of the fluids that

1455
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,440
nobody really ever looked out and looked

1456
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:45,760
for anything like that was the serotonin

1457
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,200
in the brain and um

1458
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:51,359
he's been looking at a lot of stuff

1459
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:52,720
there

1460
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:56,240
and um you know he's trying to come up

1461
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,359
with a conclusion

1462
00:57:00,950 --> 00:57:00,240
as to why these cattle are mutilated but

1463
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:00,960
that's nothing

1464
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,190
it's uh there are

1465
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,240
so many things going on today

1466
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:14,640
that you know if i had if i had 10 more

1467
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:15,440
researchers

1468
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:17,599
i mean working right out of my house i'd

1469
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:24,549
yeah yeah the uh the cattle mutilation

1470
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,109
you know i've seen all kinds of

1471
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,960
instances where there could be an

1472
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,359
explanation for it

1473
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:35,119
but you know there are others where it's

1474
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,640
just so bizarre that

1475
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:38,160
you know you really don't know why it's

1476
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,240
going you know i

1477
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,960
i i think i there there is something to

1478
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:44,240
the fact

1479
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:47,839
that there is a type of hormone or the

1480
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:50,319
blood itself of a bovine

1481
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,319
is something that they possibly use

1482
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,960
for some type of uh scientific work or

1483
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:58,160
experimental work

1484
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:59,760
that's what that's the that's the track

1485
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:01,520
he's on he thinks that yeah

1486
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:04,160
that's needed for uh something that they

1487
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:04,960
need

1488
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:08,000
and uh but nobody ever looked at that

1489
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:11,359
stuff uh you know uh

1490
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,400
even in human mutilations and and cattle

1491
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:16,160
mutilations and the sheep mutilations

1492
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:18,079
over in england where

1493
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:20,079
you know that the triangle cut behind

1494
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:22,640
the ear and the brain was removed

1495
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:26,079
now we never had that happen in in human

1496
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:27,520
or cattle mutilations here in this

1497
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:28,960
country but over there that was a

1498
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,920
phenomenon

1499
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:31,440
that continues until the day where

1500
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:34,160
they're still finding these sheep

1501
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:35,440
they're pretty much butchered like they

1502
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:37,440
were yeah but now there's

1503
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:40,319
uh right right in the front of the right

1504
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:41,119
ear

1505
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:44,240
is a triangle cut and it's smooth and

1506
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:44,880
just like

1507
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:47,920
laser cut and the brain is gone

1508
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:51,920
and the stem and the brain stem also so

1509
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:55,440
there has to be something that

1510
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,559
they need that they're getting whichever

1511
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:00,400
way they're getting it

1512
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:03,599
but um you know the mutilations missing

1513
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:04,000
people

1514
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:06,880
all that stuff is still going on and

1515
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:08,559
it's like i said i could i could have 10

1516
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:09,599
more people

1517
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:10,880
you know working right out of my house

1518
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:17,510
yep well guys i want to thank you both

1519
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,079
for coming

1520
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:21,040
on with me tonight uh this hour went

1521
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:23,599
back very quickly as usual

1522
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:26,880
so uh we'll have to get you all back

1523
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:30,640
and uh continue with this conversation

1524
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:32,000
so thanks again have a great

1525
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,630
now if you've had an unexplained

1526
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,559
encounter of sighting

1527
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:44,640
uh please feel free to contact me

1528
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:46,079
through the phantoms of monsters blog

1529
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:48,160
site now once again thank butch

1530
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:50,400
witkowski and vincent richardson for

1531
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,160
joining me this evening

1532
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,799
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1533
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:56,559
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01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:58,720
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1536
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:02,640
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01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:05,920
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1538
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,319
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1539
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:12,000
i haven't even looked who i have next

1540
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:13,680
week but i think i've got

1541
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:17,200
tanya derenberger on and

1542
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:20,160
uh she's got a very interesting story

1543
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:20,480
her

1544
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:28,319
and uh if you're familiar with the

1545
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,359
injured cold

1546
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:31,440
story then you know who woodrow

1547
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:33,040
darrenberger is well she's kind of

1548
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:34,799
followed up with the

1549
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:37,920
the story and has written a book and

1550
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:41,359
uh her uh her appearance will be pretty

1551
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:42,079
interesting

1552
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,760
so uh we're gonna go do a deep dive into

1553
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:47,839
the rabbit hole next week so until next

1554
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:48,480
week

1555
01:01:01,110 --> 01:00:50,799
stay healthy and have a safe enjoyable

1556
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:13,760
[Music]

1557
01:01:13,770 --> 01:01:22,829
[Applause]

1558
01:01:22,839 --> 01:01:38,820
so

1559
01:01:38,830 --> 01:01:50,829
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